1750 Noise Marines/CSM - Please help.

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1750 Noise Marines/CSM - Please help.

Postby Soren » Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:40 pm

I am in the process of completing my CSM army. I have played 2 games of 40K about 4 years ago so I am far from an expert and I could use your help in making a hard list.

I like Noise Marines and Emperor's Children, but I have been told that CSM are better for the points. It also seems that Daemonettes are not as strong as they once were, so I have left them out.

What list do you like better and why?

What changes would you make to both?

Thank you!

Soren

LIST 1

1 Chaos Sorcerer (HQ) @ 125 Pts
Slaanesh; Bolt Pistol (x1); Force Weapon; Frag; Krak; Lash of Submission

2 X 8 Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 220 Pts
Mark of Chaos Glory; Icon Bearer; Bolt Pistol (x8); CC Weapon (x8); Bolter (x8); Frag; Krak
1 Aspiring Champion
Mark of Chaos Glory; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist (x1); Bolter; Frag; Krak
1 Chaos Rhino
#Searchlight; #Smoke Launcher; TL Bolter

2 X 5 Noise Marines (Troops) @ 255 Pts
Slaanesh; ; Bolt Pistol (x5); CC Weapon (x5); Bolter (x4);
Blastmaster (x1); Frag; Krak
1 Champion
Slaanesh; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist (x1); Bolter; Doom
Siren; Frag ; Krak ; Meltabombs
1 Chaos Rhino
#Searchlight; #Smoke Launcher; TL Bolter

3 X 3 Obliterator Cult (Heavy Support) @ 225 Pts
Power Fist; Lascannon; Multi-Melta; Plasma Cannon; TL Flamer; TL Meltagun; TL Plasma Gun

Models in Army: 44
Total Army Cost: 1750

LIST 2
1 Daemon Prince (HQ) @ 155 Pts
Eternal Warrior; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x1); Wings; Lash of Submission

1 Chaos Sorcerer (HQ) @ 130 Pts
Personal Icon; Mark of Slaanesh; Bolt Pistol (x1); Force Weapon; Frag; Krak; Lash of Submission

3 X 6 Noise Marines (Troops) @ 190 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; ; Bolt Pistol (x6); CC Weapon (x6); Sonic Blaster (x6);
Blastmaster (x1); Frag; Krak

2 X 3 Obliterator Cult (Heavy Support) @ 225 Pts
Power Fist; Lascannon; Multi-Melta; Plasma Cannon; TL Flamer; TL Meltagun;
TL Plasma Gun

6 Chaos Terminators (Elites) @ 445 Pts
Slaanesh; Icon Bearer; Chainfist (x1); Power Weapon (x5); Combi-Melta (x3); TL Bolter (x3)
1 Chaos Land Raider
#Searchlight; #Smoke Launcher; TL Heavy Bolter; TL Lascannons

Models in Army: 33
Total Army Cost: 1750
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Postby Redbeard » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:34 pm

In both cases:

Do not mix blastmasters with other sonic weapons. They work at cross purposes.

A blastmaster is a very expensive gun, possibly the most expensive squad weapon in the game. In order to utilize it, you want the squad with it to sit still and fire on its Heavy setting. Paying 40 points for 2 S5 shots/turn is simply not worth the investment.

Sonic Blasters are Move&Fire weapons, they're best used to lay down fire as you move to where you need to be. A Doom Siren is a Move&Fire Template that needs you to close with your opponent to be effective. Neither of these work well when combined with a blastmaster that needs to sit still to be useful.

Noise Marine squads work best when they're either:
5 Men, 1 Blastmaster

or
6-10 Men, Sonic Blaster, with or without a champion w/ doom siren - and a rhino or other transport.

Other than that - Either should be fun to play.
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Postby Soren » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:11 pm

Thanks! That makes sense. I will make the changes.
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