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Proxying at the Adepticon tournament?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:11 am
by Bolg_Was_Epic
I know some hosts allow it to an extent, and others dont.


Im curious because frankly, I know a lot of people hate paying 5 dollars for a VERY BASIC troop like a Dunlending warrior. And as far as I know men of Dunland are OOP and impossible to find in large numbers.


Let me give a couple examples....if I wanted to bring say, 2 warbands with named heros in Charge of 12 warriors of dunland in each warband, would it be frowned upon?

Those are oop so its more understandable, but what about if I made a Rohan army and I jut wanted to bring some captains that were regular troops modified a little bit and clearly announced to my opponent at the beginning?

Re: Proxying at the Adepticon tournament?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:17 pm
by griffen127
I've got a large lot of them unpainted. If they make a fig or made a fig then they will want you to use them. It however you make MAJOR conversions then they may allow it. But in the end its up to the TO.

Re: Proxying at the Adepticon tournament?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:39 pm
by prion2001
It really is a case by case sort of thing and is up to the individual tournament organizer. When the rules for the event come out soon it should have an email to send army lists to and I would suggest contacting that email with any questions. I would try and be as specific as possible when you ask them what they would allow. In many cases, WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get), is a good standard. People have run regular orcs as trackers if they had bows and any non-bow orcs were regular orcs. That makes it less likely for people to be confused about what model does what.

As for NON-GW models, I think it would depend on the amount used, amount of conversions, etc. A whole army of some other manufacters models might be an issue. A few models out of a 50 model force, maybe not so much. In the end, even if the TO ok's it I would suggest being as clear as possible so there is no room for questions from your opponents about what model is what.

Jamie

Re: Proxying at the Adepticon tournament?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:09 pm
by Lordgoober
It was this exact situation that actually ended up being the major part of the reason I dropped out of B3 this year (though going back to school was a bigger part). I was planning on doing a Scouring the Shire theme and got a few official ruffians to use as my warband captains (with I think orc captain profiles) and was then going to use Wargames Factory unarmored Saxons which looked almost EXACTLY LIKE the GW ruffians for my regular warriors. I then took a major amount of flak for wanting to do this which would have cost me about $80 total for the army ($60 for the 3 boxes of unarmored Saxons I would need) unstead of having to spend $420 to buy a pure GW model force.

Re: Proxying at the Adepticon tournament?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:22 am
by JLeong
Prion articulated the standard quite well.

Generally speaking, use the official LotR models. Other companies' models can provide great bits for conversion (placing saxon heads on Rohan models for variety or weapon swaps). Taking an entire army of non-GW models for LotR is something that I personally would be uncomfortable with. In my opinion, the majority of the models should be the official ones.

Specifically for Dunland-- the case of models that simply aren't available anymore really opens the door for more proxies in my opinion. Obviously we want to make sure our models are high quality (at least that of the other models available from GW). A concern would also be that the proxied models match the others in scale too.
I suppose what I'm saying is use your common sense. I wouldn't take more non-GW models than GW models.

If you convert Rohan models to be from Dunland, I can't think of a good reason to object. That sounds totally fine! I'd encourage you to make them unique (something a little different from regular Rohan), but yes, that's probably kosher!

Prion's example of Orc Trackers is very similar to your Rohan example. I always like to see Rohan on the table somehow anyway :D

Re: Proxying at the Adepticon tournament?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:35 am
by BostonNazgul
I have a large number of dunland models available for sale. all are painted already. but they can suit your needs if you wished to simple green them too

PM if you are interested!

Re: Proxying at the Adepticon tournament?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:02 am
by Bolg_Was_Epic
JLeong wrote:Prion articulated the standard quite well.

Generally speaking, use the official LotR models. Other companies' models can provide great bits for conversion (placing saxon heads on Rohan models for variety or weapon swaps). Taking an entire army of non-GW models for LotR is something that I personally would be uncomfortable with. In my opinion, the majority of the models should be the official ones.

Specifically for Dunland-- the case of models that simply aren't available anymore really opens the door for more proxies in my opinion. Obviously we want to make sure our models are high quality (at least that of the other models available from GW). A concern would also be that the proxied models match the others in scale too.
I suppose what I'm saying is use your common sense. I wouldn't take more non-GW models than GW models.

If you convert Rohan models to be from Dunland, I can't think of a good reason to object. That sounds totally fine! I'd encourage you to make them unique (something a little different from regular Rohan), but yes, that's probably kosher!

Prion's example of Orc Trackers is very similar to your Rohan example. I always like to see Rohan on the table somehow anyway :D



Well Im really sorry to burst your bubble, but Rohan was just an example. I would never field them in a tournament. I think theyre too week.

As for the rest of the tournament rules, I really think it should go as follows:

Models like Mahud Warriors, Khazad Guard, you cant proxy just because they are expensive and/or elite.

As for models that are oop, you should be able to proxy up to 2 warbands and 2 heros to lead them.

Other than that, no.

Like honestly, like, some figures that are oop are impossible to find. Ive checked ebay every day since september and Ive found certain models 2-5 times and they went for twice their original price.

I honestly believe first of all, GW should sell all elites in boxes of 10-12 like 10 khazad guard for like 45 bucks maybe or something.....
They really should have done that when instituting the warbands system...it only makes sense.

Re: Proxying at the Adepticon tournament?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:10 pm
by acepilot12
The tournament rules packet has been updated, and the email address is listed to send information regarding proxys to. It is always a case by case basis of what is acceptable. In the end, the TO's decision is final. The main goal for proxys is something that is appropriate, WYSIWYG, and easily understandable by other players.