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Adepticon 2013?

Postby AlexW » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:38 pm

Hey guys,

I'm hoping someone can fill me in a bit. This is Alex from the Riders of the North (teamed with Eric from the doubles) and my Uruks (for the singles) from last year's Adepticon LOTR tourney. Eric and I have been anxiously awaiting news on this years tourney and were a bit bummed to see what was posted regarding dates (Thurs/Fri) and am kind of hoping they aren't accurate. The singles in four hours seemed especially short. I realize you guys may not have had much choice in the matter, but hopefully someone will be able to give us some more information.

We were definitely looking forward to coming down to defend our fluke title, but the schedule may prevent that. Hopefully you guys can give us some more info. If Adepticon doesn't work out, I (and maybe we) will be seriously considering Bilbo's next year.

Thanks!
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby Guardian of Ecthelion » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:33 pm

While I am not saying anything formal and do not want to speak for Adepticon staff. I would be very surprised if we play LOTR on Thursday.

I also would like to know what we are doing so I can make plans.

@Alex---- You should deffinately mark your calender for B3 next year, Brent does a great job running it and it is a blast to play in. Hopefully we can see you at both Adepticon and B3.
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby AlexW » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:42 pm

Guardian of Ecthelion wrote:While I am not saying anything formal and do not want to speak for Adepticon staff. I would be very surprised if we play LOTR on Thursday.

I also would like to know what we are doing so I can make plans.

@Alex---- You should deffinately mark your calender for B3 next year, Brent does a great job running it and it is a blast to play in. Hopefully we can see you at both Adepticon and B3.


Thanks for the reply. I should link where I'm getting that info:

http://cart.adepticon.org/index.php?mai ... urers_id=3

I'm definitely hoping for Bilbo's next year. Hopefully Adepticon will work out, too.
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby BrentS » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:48 pm

The event cart hasn't been finalized yet and the event descriptions are not accurate. But the days and times are accurate. There are a number of reasons why the event schedule and format are different this year.

On Thursday, I'm running the March to Mount Doom Madness event. This is not a normal singles type event. This is a single elimination tournament featuring Hero heavy armies. The actual cart descrIptions will be finalized very soon.

I will let Jamie comment on Team Tournament.
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby AlexW » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:07 pm

BrentS wrote:The event cart hasn't been finalized yet. But the days and times are accurate. There are a number of reasons why the event schedule is different this year. There are changes planned for LOTR this year.

On Thursday, I'm running the March to Mount Doom Madness event. This is not a normal singles type event. This is a single elimination tournament featuring Hero heavy armies. The actual cart descrIptions will be finalized very soon.

I will let Jamie comment on Team Tournament.


Thanks, Brent. Very much appreciate the heads up. That sounds like fun and the 4 hour window makes more sense then.

Not trying to jump the gun here or force you guys to reveal early, but the times/dates did throw us for a loop (and we were looking at getting plane tickets as early as possible). We were hoping LOTR would be our main event(s) for the weekend, and as Thursday is pretty much an impossibility for us, it does sound like it's unlikely we'll be able to make it. I'm certainly not upset, just disappointed at how the shift is going to alter our plans and may mean no Adepticon for us if there's not something Saturday that appeals.

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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby Smeagol » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:14 pm

Ditto. Since it doesn't look like I'll be able to make the UK GT this year, Adept icon is my only other venue. However minimal LOTR means no interest from me. I do understand the logistics of supply and demand of course you guys have to deal with.
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby BrentS » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:15 pm

AlexW wrote:
Not trying to jump the gun here or force you guys to reveal early, but the times/dates did throw us for a loop (and we were looking at getting plane tickets as early as possible). We were hoping LOTR would be our main event(s) for the weekend, and as Thursday is pretty much an impossibility for us, it does sound like it's unlikely we'll be able to make it. I'm certainly not upset, just disappointed at how the shift is going to alter our plans and may mean no Adepticon for us if there's not something Saturday that appeals.

Thanks again.


No problem. We struggled a lot with the decisions on how to approach LOTR this year. We've had a steady decline In attendance and with a bit of uncertainty on how the Hobbit would be handled we just weren't sure which way to go. There will be other LOTR activities that we are trying to pull together but the formal games will be Thursday and Friday. There is so much to do at Adepticon and a lot of the organizing staff wanted to try out other games/options as well.
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby BrentS » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:17 pm

Smeagol wrote:Ditto. Since it doesn't look like I'll be able to make the UK GT this year, Adept icon is my only other venue. However minimal LOTR means no interest from me. I do understand the logistics of supply and demand of course you guys have to deal with.


There will still be a full day of the team tourney plus the half day Mt Doom. We are looking for creative ideas for demos and big games as well. One thing we lack is staff to run these events.
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby Guardian of Ecthelion » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:17 pm

I stand corrected. There is a LOTR event on Thursday.

Hopefully we can see you all there.
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby old coast » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:29 am

Whoa, So no singles tourney at all?- just the march to mount doom? so they posted the Single event description as a place holder, Brent you should post the MtMD rules here
so we can check them out. This that correct that there are only 10 slots for the team tourney?

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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby BostonNazgul » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:52 am

Jamie can post more details but, just to avoid panic, speculation, and looting, etc.

at the moment, the tournament will be old school style, 2 players on a team, but one player takes a good army, the other an evil, and you play single style games, but combine scores for overall rankings. its a team and singles combo mash-up.

unofficial official, just to get some info out there. i hope no cars are upturned, or wallstreets occupied....
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby BrentS » Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:46 am

old coast wrote:Whoa, So no singles tourney at all?- just the march to mount doom? so they posted the Single event description as a place holder, Brent you should post the MtMD rules here
so we can check them out. This that correct that there are only 10 slots for the team tourney?

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Yes, it's a place holder. I didn't even realize this was posted until Alex shared the link. The actual webcast description will be updated soon. I will post some tourney details here later today.


We only had ten slots (20 players) for the team tourney last year... I think we could probably add teams if necessary but have adopted a different philosophy since 2011. We start smaller and add spaces when we fill up. In 2010 and 2011 we had a lot more space and struggled to get to 10 teams.
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby prion2001 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:23 am

Yes, there are two tournaments at Adepticon for LotR but with some changes. First, here is the rough plan:

Thursday 5-9pm: March to Mount Doom Tournament. Rules should be up shortly and I'll let Brent address the basics here if he likes. (16 single players)

Friday 8:30am-5:30pm: Team Tournament. Two players per team, one brings 600 points of good, the other 600 points of evil. 3 rounds. (10 team slots (nitially) like last year).

Saturday and Sunday: Hobbit Demo Table (More specifics once we see what the game entails.

The changes are a combination of wanting to do something different with the singles and scheduling needs of staff. Based on availability and the desire to play other things at Adepticon we went with the Thursday/Friday schedule to best accomodate the needs of our volunteers.

In the end, I have started to realize that LotR is just one of the many things people can do at Adepticon. With that in mind, We've tried to make the events fit into a schedule that allows both hard core LotR players and the casual player to get in games and also have time for other activities over the weekend.

So rest assured we have two events but yes the schedule has moved up a day. Realize that if there is enough interest and someone willing to organize and run a LotR event on Saturday or Sunday that is something we can try to make happen.

Jamie

p.s. anything you might see in the cart at this stage is not accurate so please do not go by anything you see there until it goes live with an oofficial annoucement from Mathias on the forums.
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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby prion2001 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:32 am

Thanks, Brent. Very much appreciate the heads up. That sounds like fun and the 4 hour window makes more sense then.

Not trying to jump the gun here or force you guys to reveal early, but the times/dates did throw us for a loop (and we were looking at getting plane tickets as early as possible). We were hoping LOTR would be our main event(s) for the weekend, and as Thursday is pretty much an impossibility for us, it does sound like it's unlikely we'll be able to make it. I'm certainly not upset, just disappointed at how the shift is going to alter our plans and may mean no Adepticon for us if there's not something Saturday that appeals.

Thanks again.

We knew that Thursday would probably not work for everyone but at least for this year, we were forced into it mostly for staffing reasons. But don't despair yet. We have the Team Friday and lots of other stuff on Saturday/Sunday that is non-LotR as well so hopefully you will find something to make it worth the trip.

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Re: Adepticon 2013?

Postby old coast » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:08 am

BrentS wrote:We only had ten slots (20 players) for the team tourney last year... I think we could probably add teams if necessary but have adopted a different philosophy since 2011. We start smaller and add spaces when we fill up. In 2010 and 2011 we had a lot more space and struggled to get to 10 teams.


Well I think the team events always suffer a bit in attendance in lieu of the singles, but considering the are no singles in the traditional sense, I'll think you'll make out ok. I love the description that Jeremy gives above for a team event, if thats the format this year..cool, that sounds like it will cover the bases.

I always look at these things as a self fulfilling prophecy, aim low, you get low, so aim high but manage your expectations. 2011 indeed, was a bad year, GW had not released anything in long time, and still was managing the events nationally. There was a ton of competition gamewise as well, (WFB hadnt had its 8th ed exodus yet)
I didn't play LotR that year (and helped out as the ringer in singles because of my own over commitments) since then things have changed alot, GW's hands off approach to events isn't a bad thing, their total lack of support could actually be a positive if they keep putting out models, and they will be in lieu of the new movies.

I get the history of Acon and its TT It just seems to me with Tim moving on from GitD..and the TT always struggling there is room for a spring event like BBB at Adepticon, with Jamies post above looks like you guys are busy all weekend, I just wonder that with the "red headed step child" stigma of the game if there isn't wisdom to just putting all your eggs in one basket with a traditional championship singles event Friday and thats it, it saves you guys alot of work , accomplishes what Jamie suggests, ( in that it appeals to both hard core and casual players since the new rules have made 30 a valid model count as opposed to Legions where model counts below 50 were often seen as uncompetitive) and doesnt leave people feeling like that things are moving backward and not forward.

This TT structure sounds cool, so I am sure it will be fine, I am just lamenting as when I first saw the event page, Thursday night this year is iffy for me and I dont have time to do a traditional team army from scratch after going and finding a partner, since I cant even get a guarantee of table space or real event status for Pirates (which is expected since we totally dropped the ball on it last year) I was thinking I wont even be making to Adepticon for the first time since 2007 :shock: Specialist games in general are taking it on the chin in lieu of the popularity of more mainstream non GW games.

Anyway, I'm free on Saturday if you guys need help with a Demo table hit me up...the only other thing I am interested in is trying some Bolt Action and those events aren't even posted yet. I'll try to free myself up Wed/ Thurs to help set up or even play in the MtMD, just dont know yet.
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