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Postby swampthing » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:10 pm

a recent thread got me to thinking why we as a community have not moved onto the digital world.
So I went to the app store on my Ipad and looked up Digital Dice.
Low and behold.... a 99 Cent app called Digital dice which can have up to 6 custamisable 3 d dice that move around when you shake you ipad.
I bought it just to see what it was like and it passes the cool test.

Obviously, its not practical for our purposes having only 6 dice, but if it can ever be improved by adding more dice it would be great.

My question to you all is... Do you think that Digital dice, on say an ipad or a smart phone would be accepted in casual games or competition?


Actually the company Dynamic Realms makes another cheap app called dynamyc dice thats supports up to 10 dice!!!!!!
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Postby Crumpsky » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:26 pm

If you can get more dice, why not. It's random, and probably faster than rolling loads of dice.
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Postby seahawk » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:42 pm

Someone might complain the program is rigged.

Great idea though!
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Postby DragonBait » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:15 pm

I will be rolling physical dice long after they have given way to preference for digital dice. To me, it's part of the fun of the games. I feel when a game comes down to those significant rolls, there's nothing like chucking those cubes down and seeing if you have your luck that day! I can totally see the practical points to it though, personally just not a fan.
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Postby shadowopal » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:04 pm

There are tons of Dice aps. some will let you rool up to 40. Dicenomicon is my ap of choice.
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Postby Redbeard » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:12 am

I wouldn't allow my opponent to use one for the same reason I wouldn't use one; I know how to write iPhone/Pad apps, and they might also. It's very simple to 'rig' a generator, even in a way that an opponent might not detect (if you touch a certain part of the screen before 'rolling', give precedence to some high numbers, if another part of the screen, roll 'low'. And you can set unseen thresholds.

Consider the traditional loaded die. Add weight under the one, and gravity makes it more likely to roll a six. But you don't want sixes on leadership tests, so you need to use different dice for those, which is suspicious. And if you're suddenly rolling more sixes, that's suspicious too.

With an app, you can tailor all this to give you an edge, without being obvious. If you touch the screen in the right place, it knows that you're making a 3+ roll. So, internally, it re-rolls anything that comes up below that threshold. It doesn't completely eliminate 1s and 2s, but it makes them a lot less frequent. The opponent will still see some 1s and 2s there and not a pile of 6s.

I can write the app to give me quite an edge (like everything I do is twin-linked), without being obvious about it, and, because the cheat button is invisible, I can even hand the device to my opponent and let them roll it to their heart's content, counting the results and thinking it's all on the up-and-up.

So, yeah, I'm not in favour of these at all. You can't just put your opponent's iPad in a bowl of water to see if its heavier on one side or the other...
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Postby Brian » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:08 pm

There's a specific 40k dice rolling app called 40k combat assistant. It supports large quantity rolls and it even has a scatter die function.

If you wanted to get really literal though the 40k rulebook does specifically say "this game uses ordinary 6 sided dice." An electronic equivalent would technically be against the rules.
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Postby cacophonic_76 » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:22 am

its no longer truly random with a program. the program has set parameters that do not account for chaos theory and takes all real chance out of it. the program just makes sure you get the proper percentage chance of getting 6's , 5's ect... so you will be able to better predict the outcome of dice rolls which will change the way the game is played. i will be extremely prejudice against program dice
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Postby Mad Jack Deacon » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:04 pm

Redbeard wrote: You can't just put your opponent's iPad in a bowl of water to see if its heavier on one side or the other...

I disagree. You can, indeed, put your opponent's iPad in a bowl of water to see if it's heavier on one side or the other. You just might not get the result you desire...

All kidding aside, this makes me wonder if we're really so concerned with truly valid random number generation, why tournaments don't provide a box of sealed casino quality dice for each player every game? Sure it'll jack up the cost, but it removes the question of cheating and/or excuse-making.

Just a thought...
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Postby griffen127 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:56 am

You shouldn't be able to use these. Its simply not how things are done, and for good reasons that have been said above. Heck you play in the BB tourney were they give you dice and a dice tower for rolling.
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Postby muwhe » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:28 am

if we're really so concerned with truly valid random number generation, why tournaments don't provide a box of sealed casino quality dice for each player every game?

Obviously, we are not that concerned with it. :D

Besides have you priced a set of 2 precision casino dice?
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Postby Lord Krungharr » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:30 pm

I saw a documentary about a dude who mastered throwing dice for craps and won millions of dollars. Of course that's only two dice at a time, but even by hand, with practice, odds can be polished to a shinier game.

But I also would not vote for allowing digital dice. Plus my real dice are sparkly, and that beats digital.
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Postby JonnyP » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:30 pm

If you want to take away actual dice, then why even bother with miniatures too?

Go play computer games.
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